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| Ouyang Wen Feng |
LAGI KEJAYAAN ANWAR IBRAHIM
Apabila paderi homoseksual tunggal Malaysia mengumumkan bahawa beliau akan menubuhkan gereja 'gay' atau 'sesama jenis lelaki' yang pertama di negara ini,
beliau dihujani pelbagai kritikan dan bidasan. Namun paderi Ouyang Wen Feng tidak mengalah dalam menghadapi tindakan kerajaan dan pemimpin agama untuk mengagalkan rancangannya itu. Homoseksual adalah satu jenayah di Malaysia dan boleh dihukum sehingga 20 tahun di penjara.
Menurut lapporan AFP, gereja yang ditubuhkannya itu beroperasi secara senyap di pinggir Kuala Lumpur sejak tiga tahun lalu dan menarik sekumpulan penganut Kristian 'gay' pada setiap Ahad dan menghadiri kelas mempelajari kita 'Injil'.
Tindakan Ouyang ini adalah hanya satu daripada tindakan beberapa pergerakkan yang berjuang untuk hak komuniti 'gay' di negara ini yang mahu hak mereka dihormati.
"Kita cuba menggalakan lebih ramai orang menyertai gereja kami,- bagi masyarakat Kristian untuk ke depan dan hidup secara semula jadi,” katanya yang sebelum ini pernah berkahwin selama sembilan tahun sebelum mengumumkan bahawa beliau juga seorang homoseksual pada tahun 2006.
"Sama ada seseorang itu 'gay' atau 'straight' atau 'dwi-seksual' - ini adalah orientasi seksual, ini bukan sesuatu yang kita lakukan yang men jadikan kita seseorang 'gay'.”
Ouyang berkata gerejanya juga menerima mereka yang 'dwi-seksual' dan kumpulan 'mak nyah' serta 'hetero-seksual' dan mahu golongan itu memahami bahawa mereka “tidak keseorangan dalam perjuangan mereka.”
'If we keep an open mind and don't discriminate against people who are unlike us, there's nothing wrong being a homosexual or heterosexual or whatever sexual orientation we find ourselves in.'
It's not a gay church, explains pastor
Dood: Pastor Reverend Ouyang Wen Feng, you have my support for the good things you have done. Never mind the homophobic gay-bashers: if they cannot understand why they are wrong in wanting to force their mistaken beliefs on other people, then let them be. Take the higher road and spread awareness to other people who are not so bigoted.
Proarte: Personally, I feel Malaysians have no issue with accepting homosexuality because increasingly it is being seen as an orientation, not a choice. Sexuality is an instinctive choice, not a moral choice. A man finds women sexually attractive not because 'it is the right thing to do' but because it stirs responses from within which he has no control over. No honest person will deny this.
I cannot see why intelligent people cannot put themselves in the shoes of the sexual minorities for a moment to see the illogicalness of placing a moral judgement on their sexuality per se.
If there is belief in an Almighty creator, then we must accept that gays are part of His plan. The destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah by God was not an attack on gays but immorality in all its forms.
If God was condemning homosexuality per se, then David and Jonathan would not have been glorified in the Old testament as we are told that they were lovers whose love for each other 'surpassed the love of women'.
I do not believe the vast majority of Malaysians are prone to violence and gay bashing. Though the majority of gays are not obviously 'visible', the highly effeminate men are clearly identifiable by their mannerism, dress sense or taste. We have all encountered such individuals in our daily lives. We remember how they were bullied by cowardly 'macho' boys and ridiculed in a hurtful way.
Pondans have been part of Malay culture since time immemorial and Malays have never culturally viewed them with disgust or hatred. In fact most Malays view them with compassion at best and mirth tinged with ridicule at worst. This whole notion of moral indignation and persecution is very much a new phenomenon and is political.
YF: Proarte there is no such thing as interpreting the Bible as you deem fit. That's lying. And if you are a Bible believer then you are guilty of the unpardonable sin, not to mention the loss of entering God's kingdom if one is a homosexual.
If David and Jonathan were homosexuals the Bible would have said so, like what it did on David and Bathsheba. So do not force insert your abomination into the Bible which obviously isn't there. A father has a close relationship with his son, does that mean they are homosexuals? Go figure.
Kama Mustaffa: If you want to be gay or homosexual, that is up to you. The risk is yours to take, and do not seek approval from Muslims, because you will never ever get it. You say Christians interpret this and that - that is all according to your feeble mind, and it is human nature to make excuses. But for Islam, it is clear. Islam forbids non-medical and non-congenital form of homosexualism.
Myop101: I defer from a number of people who call for such a church to be shut down and the Reverend Ouyang to be persecuted. I believe they should be left alone to operate as they are and the approach should be one of Christ's love where fellow brothers and sisters should engage with them in intellectual discussions as well as that of providing them information on homosexuality from the other perspective.
We should pray together with them, to ask God to reveal to them the truth. We may not be able to partake the holy communion together but we should continue to engage them. Persecution/force will not resolve anything but create more animosity and hate.
Rubystar: I give my utmost respect to what you are doing Rev Ouyang. I stayed in New York for two years and in the course of my life I met a number of gay people. They are perhaps the most peace-loving people and the most creative.
It is the proclivity process that makes them gay, so why should we discriminate against them? It is only in Malaysia that different political groups looking for issues so that they can grandstand on the mainstream and online media to make their voices heard.
This church is for all and I hope you do well, Rev.
Passing Cloud: If we keep an open mind and don't discriminate against people who are unlike us, there's nothing wrong being a homosexual or heterosexual or whatever sexual orientation we find ourselves in.
The only thing that's wrong is in our mind and heart. Search for the fault within ourselves and fix it rather then telling others how to live their lives. So, Ouyang, pursue your goal till you've achieved it. Though we're not Christians, we support your fight for your rights.
Victor Johan: Ouyang, I believe that it was Bill Cosby that said, "I don't know the key of success, but I do know the key to failure is to please everyone", or something like that. So carry on your mission as it only adds to uplifting the lives of a segment of our society, people who also have their rights to live with their chosen path, beliefs and practices.
Anonymous: I urge the authority to put this guy in prison for he is threatening the security of the country through disturbing the peace and healthy lifestyles of many Malaysians. His pervert teachings can be a threat to families and thus the nation. To the prison he must go.
Daniel Collin Lazaroo: Dear Reverend, while I applaud your efforts to stand up for the rights of your fellow homosexual man (and woman), I think that you're in for a rough ride. The mainstream Malaysian culture has been adamantly against homosexuality, and will continue to be so (at least for a while) despite anyone's efforts.
I don't want to just blame Islamisation as a significant factor here, but it can't be denied - Malaysia is a country where over half the population are practicing Muslims, and the vast majority of them are not going to accept homosexuality as an 'option'.
In fact, I fear that your good intentions are going to result in very open discrimination, condemnation and violence against the gay community of Malaysia. Though, I promise that I shall pray with you for this: That we can someday live in a world free of discrimination, and that despite the repercussions, that your efforts produce good fruit.
Dood: Pastor Reverend Ouyang Wen Feng, you have my support for the good things you have done. Never mind the homophobic gay-bashers: if they cannot understand why they are wrong in wanting to force their mistaken beliefs on other people, then let them be. Take the higher road and spread awareness to other people who are not so bigoted.
Proarte: Personally, I feel Malaysians have no issue with accepting homosexuality because increasingly it is being seen as an orientation, not a choice. Sexuality is an instinctive choice, not a moral choice. A man finds women sexually attractive not because 'it is the right thing to do' but because it stirs responses from within which he has no control over. No honest person will deny this.
I cannot see why intelligent people cannot put themselves in the shoes of the sexual minorities for a moment to see the illogicalness of placing a moral judgement on their sexuality per se.
If there is belief in an Almighty creator, then we must accept that gays are part of His plan. The destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah by God was not an attack on gays but immorality in all its forms.
If God was condemning homosexuality per se, then David and Jonathan would not have been glorified in the Old testament as we are told that they were lovers whose love for each other 'surpassed the love of women'.
I do not believe the vast majority of Malaysians are prone to violence and gay bashing. Though the majority of gays are not obviously 'visible', the highly effeminate men are clearly identifiable by their mannerism, dress sense or taste. We have all encountered such individuals in our daily lives. We remember how they were bullied by cowardly 'macho' boys and ridiculed in a hurtful way.
Pondans have been part of Malay culture since time immemorial and Malays have never culturally viewed them with disgust or hatred. In fact most Malays view them with compassion at best and mirth tinged with ridicule at worst. This whole notion of moral indignation and persecution is very much a new phenomenon and is political.
YF: Proarte there is no such thing as interpreting the Bible as you deem fit. That's lying. And if you are a Bible believer then you are guilty of the unpardonable sin, not to mention the loss of entering God's kingdom if one is a homosexual.
If David and Jonathan were homosexuals the Bible would have said so, like what it did on David and Bathsheba. So do not force insert your abomination into the Bible which obviously isn't there. A father has a close relationship with his son, does that mean they are homosexuals? Go figure.
Kama Mustaffa: If you want to be gay or homosexual, that is up to you. The risk is yours to take, and do not seek approval from Muslims, because you will never ever get it. You say Christians interpret this and that - that is all according to your feeble mind, and it is human nature to make excuses. But for Islam, it is clear. Islam forbids non-medical and non-congenital form of homosexualism.
Myop101: I defer from a number of people who call for such a church to be shut down and the Reverend Ouyang to be persecuted. I believe they should be left alone to operate as they are and the approach should be one of Christ's love where fellow brothers and sisters should engage with them in intellectual discussions as well as that of providing them information on homosexuality from the other perspective.
We should pray together with them, to ask God to reveal to them the truth. We may not be able to partake the holy communion together but we should continue to engage them. Persecution/force will not resolve anything but create more animosity and hate.
Rubystar: I give my utmost respect to what you are doing Rev Ouyang. I stayed in New York for two years and in the course of my life I met a number of gay people. They are perhaps the most peace-loving people and the most creative.
It is the proclivity process that makes them gay, so why should we discriminate against them? It is only in Malaysia that different political groups looking for issues so that they can grandstand on the mainstream and online media to make their voices heard.
This church is for all and I hope you do well, Rev.
Passing Cloud: If we keep an open mind and don't discriminate against people who are unlike us, there's nothing wrong being a homosexual or heterosexual or whatever sexual orientation we find ourselves in.
The only thing that's wrong is in our mind and heart. Search for the fault within ourselves and fix it rather then telling others how to live their lives. So, Ouyang, pursue your goal till you've achieved it. Though we're not Christians, we support your fight for your rights.
Victor Johan: Ouyang, I believe that it was Bill Cosby that said, "I don't know the key of success, but I do know the key to failure is to please everyone", or something like that. So carry on your mission as it only adds to uplifting the lives of a segment of our society, people who also have their rights to live with their chosen path, beliefs and practices.
Anonymous: I urge the authority to put this guy in prison for he is threatening the security of the country through disturbing the peace and healthy lifestyles of many Malaysians. His pervert teachings can be a threat to families and thus the nation. To the prison he must go.
Daniel Collin Lazaroo: Dear Reverend, while I applaud your efforts to stand up for the rights of your fellow homosexual man (and woman), I think that you're in for a rough ride. The mainstream Malaysian culture has been adamantly against homosexuality, and will continue to be so (at least for a while) despite anyone's efforts.
I don't want to just blame Islamisation as a significant factor here, but it can't be denied - Malaysia is a country where over half the population are practicing Muslims, and the vast majority of them are not going to accept homosexuality as an 'option'.
In fact, I fear that your good intentions are going to result in very open discrimination, condemnation and violence against the gay community of Malaysia. Though, I promise that I shall pray with you for this: That we can someday live in a world free of discrimination, and that despite the repercussions, that your efforts produce good fruit.
Pemangku Ketua Dewan Pemuda PAS Wilayah Persekutuan Herman Samsudeen mengecam Gereja Gay.
Menurut pengasas gereja berkenaan Ouyang,“Saya ingin menjelaskan kepada umum dan secara rasmi bahawa gereja yang saya tubuhkan bersama itu bukan gereja gay. Ia adalah gereja untuk semua, tanpa mengira status kelas, jantina, bangsa, keturunan ataupun orientasi seks mereka,”
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